Feminism: What it is and what it is not

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Feminism: What it is and what it is not
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 21 2014, 01:48 AM (1,752 Views)
Rogafufuken	Jul 27 2014, 10:07 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #10,933 Joined: February 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/Kai, and Nisekoi What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z, and One Piece	I don't think "culture" is the right word to describe it. Culture the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 27 2014, 10:11 PM Post #17
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	"Rape culture" is a term used in feminist theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture



Meowth	Jul 27 2014, 10:18 PM Post #18
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Itachi Jul 27 2014, 09:41 PM It exists due to issues like maternal leave and other biological issues leading to lower bonuses and raises. There's no company that actually pays a woman less than a man. Yes there are and maternal leave shouldn't be an excuse for paying less, men can take time off if their partner has had a child too. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0 Have some stats. http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/workinglife/the-gender-pay-gap-5-myths/2190294 Just some reading.



Rogafufuken	Jul 27 2014, 10:21 PM Post #19
Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #10,933 Joined: February 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/Kai, and Nisekoi What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z, and One Piece	ObsessiveFanGirl Jul 27 2014, 10:11 PM "Rape culture" is a term used in feminist theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture I wouldn't really call it "normalized" overall, though the prevention of that is good.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 27 2014, 10:24 PM Post #20
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Yeah, I'm not totally on board with "rape culture." I agree and disagree with certain aspects of it.



Mihawk	Jul 27 2014, 10:25 PM Post #21
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Rogue Jul 27 2014, 10:18 PM Itachi Jul 27 2014, 09:41 PM It exists due to issues like maternal leave and other biological issues leading to lower bonuses and raises. There's no company that actually pays a woman less than a man. Yes there are and maternal leave shouldn't be an excuse for paying less, men can take time off if their partner has had a child too. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0 Have some stats. http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/workinglife/the-gender-pay-gap-5-myths/2190294 Just some reading. Maternal leave isn't used as an excuse. Any time outside of your vacation time that you take will ultimately garnish your future wages. Women just have more biological reasons to leave than men. I'm well aware of the stats. It does exist on paper like Ketchup said. It isn't due to some bias that employers have against women, however.



* Yu Narukami	Jul 27 2014, 10:28 PM Post #22
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	I dunno, society still condemns rape as a horrific act and rightly so. A common argument I see is that we shouldn't have to encourage women to learn how to defend themselves against rapists and, in doing so, we're accepting rape/not condemning it. I'm not sure how common of an argument this is, but the fact of the matter is that some individuals will commit the offence of rape even if you 'teach' them not to rape. Encouraging women to learn how to defend themselves isn't an acceptance of rape in society, it's just acceptance that some individuals will rape no matter what and that it's best for people to be able to defend themselves against such individuals. Of course, all of the aspects listed in that link are present in some form. Many people blame the victim, such as saying that 'they were asking for it wearing that' or something of the sort'. Rape is trivialized by radical internet 'feminists' and Female-on-Male rape is considered a joke a lot of the time. So yeah, there are aspects of 'rape culture' present in society, but I hardly think that the majority of people support or practice such a thing.



Meowth	Jul 28 2014, 07:50 AM Post #23
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Itachi Jul 27 2014, 10:25 PM It isn't due to some bias that employers have against women, however. Prove it.



+ Pyrus	Jul 28 2014, 08:29 AM Post #24
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Dunno, but I agree completely with this woman. Spoiler: click to toggle Victim/martyr complex is rampant with way too many people these days, especially on social media sites. Man, my old Tumblr was constantly bombarded by posts trying to make me feel bad for not sympathizing with feminism or homosexuality or transsexuals or redheads or black empowerment or Barney's Playhouse or this movement, this movement, this movement... >_> I don't really see the absolute need for feminism anymore. So many of the females I've encountered don't even understand it, just hop on the bandwagon, or have a victim complex.
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Mihawk	Jul 28 2014, 10:04 AM Post #25
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Rogue Jul 28 2014, 07:50 AM Itachi Jul 27 2014, 10:25 PM It isn't due to some bias that employers have against women, however. Prove it. There's evidence that there is a wage gap. I'm saying there's no evidence it's due to employer bias. So the burden of proof would be one the one claiming it's due to employer bias against women. Even so there is evidence that it can't be blamed on employer bias. Actually paying someone a different amount for the same amount of work irrespective of bonuses and length of work is highly illegal and would cause all sorts of national outrage. Instead all we hear about the wage gap are vague references to an already agreed and established statics without any properly documented individual cases showing employers intentionally paying women less. From what I understand companies that move into accounting software for salaries find similar answer s. I guess this would actually require a source but I can't give you one. Where I work salaries are nearly completely automated by software depending on when your ID signs into the office among other computer held variables.



+ Pyrus	Jul 28 2014, 10:50 AM Post #26
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Where I work, the females officers make as much as the male officers. I can't speak for higher positions like sergeants, lieutenants, etc.
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Jet	Jul 28 2014, 12:03 PM Post #27
Ruka is a dude Posts: 443 Group: Member Member #9,382 Joined: April 16, 2013 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime LOGH, Berserk, Monster, Steins;Gate, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, GITS, Studio Ghibli's stuff. What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer (message sent from 2005) Favourite Manga Berserk, Dragon Ball, Vagabond	Rogue Jul 27 2014, 09:26 PM The wage gap is a thing, I don't believe it is as much of an issue for lower paid jobs, minimum wage or entry level admin jobs, but when you start getting higher up the chain, the gap is there. There is also, still, in some cases some discrimination based on maternity leave, though men can suffer there as well. "Rape culture" as the word puts it is something to worry about, something that needs addressing, there are legitimate concerns that are raised. Not just victim blaming, but people actively mocking and making fun of the victim. There was a piece in the news about this a few days ago, it's disgusting. There are many issues not addressed as well, when a women sleeps around, she's a lovely lady, when a man does it, he's a stud or something. It's frowned upon for women but men get prised for doing the same thing. It should be equal, either both are lovely ladys or both are heros, not one or the other. Semi-related, but this is in New Zealand, my country: Rape accused would have to prove consent under Labour plan http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11289979 "The policy would mean that in a rape case, if the Crown proved a sexual encounter and the identity of the defendant, it would be rape unless the defendant could prove it was consensual."



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 28 2014, 01:18 PM Post #28
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Rogue Jul 28 2014, 07:50 AM Itachi Jul 27 2014, 10:25 PM It isn't due to some bias that employers have against women, however. Prove it. If a woman is being paid less than a man because she is a woman, she can file a lawsuit against her employer. It's also the woman's fault if she is in a position like that and doesn't know her rights. The wage gap exists, but like the others have said it is due to reasons other than direct sexism. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Jul 28 2014, 01:18 PM.



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